Thursday, April 17, 2014

Let’s listen to the professionals

I was really surprised to read Alan Pryor’s ill-advised letter to the editor about dentists in our community not knowing what they are talking about concerning fluoride and oral health/prevention. My dad long ago gave me some advice on not offending people gratuitously….. your cook, your barber and, of course, your dentist.

I hope that Mr. Pryor has been brushing his teeth diligently and sought the best sources of fluoride available (restaurants in Sacramento offer it in the water they bring to your table … just a thought) because I would not be going anywhere near a dentist’s office at this time if I were him.

Seriously, Pryor’s letter is quite flawed because his logic is flawed. He asserts that because topical applications of fluoride are effective, then other methods, such as the systemic application of fluoride through the water system, are unnecessary. And he ends up citing some odd site called “flouridealert” (sic) to back up his argument.

The American Dental Association recommends the following, which you can find on its website today: ”The proper mix is key: It is important to note that the effective prevention of dental decay requires that the proper mix of both forms of fluoride (topical and systemic) be made available to individuals.”

Maybe we really should be listening to the professionals instead of speculators and definitely use both personal/topical and public health/systemic fluoridation of our water system for the maximum combined benefit for our citizens here in Davis.

John J. Troidl

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  • Noreen MazelisAugust 23, 2013 - 1:10 pm

    Hey, John, remember when dentists endorsed SMOKING?

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  • sasshaAugust 23, 2013 - 4:45 pm

    Sounds as if Mr. Troidl didn't research the various references included in Mr. Pryor's letter. Which basically makes Mr. Troidl's letter nothing more than a rant. As one citizen who DOES NOT WANT fluoride in my H2O I applaud Mr. Pryor's letter and was grateful for the many references of support he provided.

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  • Rich RifkinAugust 23, 2013 - 5:53 pm

    In case you don't know this, there is fluoride in your Davis tap water right now, Sassha. Fluoride is naturally occuring in most municipal water systems. Some have more than is deemed healthy, and in those cases it has to be diluted. Some naturally have just the right amount. And some, like Davis, have too little for optimal health, and the best public health science says more should be added. This is not scientifically controversial. All the "scientists" who oppose fluoridation are quacks. All of them. ...... Your statement that you don't want any fluoride in your tap water makes me think you don't know the chemical components in our Davis water, today. Our Davis water has barium, chrominum, fluoride, nickel, selenium, etc. ....... If you would like to know the amounts of every chemical in our water supply, you can find them listed in this 2012 water quality report:

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  • GrantAugust 24, 2013 - 12:49 pm

    Wow, Rich, ALL the naysayers are quacks? Did you look at everything they have said? Not too long ago, the "experts" said fish oil was super healthy and we all could use more of it. Then, recently, a study linked too much fish oil with prostate cancer. The longer I live and hear stories like this, the more I lean to the side of not artificially adding anything to my diet. Davis water already has plenty of minerals and naturally occurring fluoride, as you point out, so why add more? Final thought, any idea what % of water used by a typical household is actually ingested? I'd bet it's less than 1%. Wouldn't it be cheaper to use the money to purchase fluoride toothpaste/pills and distribute it to those who need it? Why force it on everyone?

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  • Rich RifkinAugust 24, 2013 - 4:35 pm

    Yes, Grant. If you dig into the so-called science of these quacks, it is bizarre nonsense praying on gullibility. It's in effect a new age religious movement, not science. ...... On the other side of the equation, you have every single responsible scientist and public health body in favor of fluoridation. Every one. It's not just every respected dentist in Yolo County and every single local public health agency. It's also every state public health body. It's national scientific advisory groups like the ADA and the AMA and the CDC. ...... If you are not brainwashed in the anti-science religion of the quacks, and you care to know the truth about them, here is a good URL to read: ....... Or if you just care about the scientific evidence, look-up "fluoride facts" on the American Dental Assoc. website.

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  • GrantAugust 24, 2013 - 7:18 pm

    You still haven't answered my basic question of why? Aren't we getting along fine currently? I don't recall reading any big stories in the Enterprise about the high percentage of Davisites suffering from tooth decay. If we are talking about a small percentage of people, why not target them specifically with educational outreach? I'm sure most dentists also agree that the bigger problem causing tooth decay is poor dental hygiene. Also consuming too much sugar. For less than it would cost to fluoridate the entire water supply, surely we could hire a educational outreach person who could not only advise on proper dental habits, but also nutrition. Is that so unreasonable?

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  • nyscofAugust 25, 2013 - 5:12 am

    The US Centers for Disease Control says that fluoride's benefits are topical and its risks systemic. So there's really no good reason to ingest fluoride in any form The CDC also reports the following: “In the earliest days of fluoride research, investigators hypothesized that fluoride affects enamel and inhibits dental caries (cavities) only when incorporated into developing dental enamel...” but now CDC admits that: “Fluoride works primarily after teeth have erupted…” CDC also admits that “The prevalence of dental caries in a population is not inversely related to the concentration of fluoride in enamel, and a higher concentration of enamel fluoride is not necessarily more efficacious in preventing dental caries.” and "Saliva is a major carrier of topical fluoride. The concentration of fluoride in ductal saliva, as it is secreted from salivary glands, is low --- approximately 0.016 parts per million (ppm) in areas where drinking water is fluoridated and 0.006 ppm in nonfluoridated areas (27). This concentration of fluoride is not likely to affect cariogenic activity."

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  • Rich RifkinAugust 25, 2013 - 12:37 pm

    nyscof, none of those "admissions" you quoted implies anything about whether water should or should not be fluoridated. Your calling them "admissions" is a strange (almost delusional) spin. But if you are interested in the real CDC view, here is the only quote you need from them: "For 65 years, community water fluoridation has been a safe and healthy way to effectively prevent tooth decay. CDC has recognized water fluoridation as one of 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century." That is the very first thing on the CDC's webpage regarding fluoride. It's an unconditional support. And it is completely supported by science. There simply is not any real science at all which has ever shown that the public health is harmed by fluoridation of drinking water. None. Here is the URL:

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