Tuesday, July 22, 2014

Lots of reasons to oppose

From page A14 | September 29, 2013 |

I’m wondering why people overlook the following reasons for not adding fluoride to our city’s water, in addition to it being a poison, and for the valid reasons included in couple of recent letters to The Enterprise. It will be in all of our water, not just drinking water:

* Outside: Lawns, home gardens, fruits, berries, being absorbed by all vegetation that we’ll eat, and stay in the soil to sink in and eventually get to our well/tank system, increasing fluoride concentration that we can’t avoid. And don’t forget the city’s farmers selling produce.

* Inside: All we cook with water, such as starchy food, soups, cooked fruits, stews and so on; all the food we process with water, as in sugar syrup in canned fruit.

* All other household uses: Washing, dishwashing, showers and baths, toilets. How long does it take sewer drainage to reach the ocean?

* Let’s not overlook the kids, supposedly the targets of fluoridation. How do we monitor how much they’ll gulp from their bath water, kiddie pools, sprinklers, learning to swim, tea parties, you name it. Water play is irresistible to kids. I had four, helped raise many more.

* Most parents know about proper dental care, but enforcing it isn’t the city’s problem. Even brace-wearers don’t brush after all meals, are allowed sodas, sweets, peanut butter. And how can we avoid this season’s holiday sweets? Bring ‘em on — we’ll have fluoride!

I repeat: It’s a poison.

Barbara Risling


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Discussion | 14 comments

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  • John J. Troidl, MBA, PhDSeptember 25, 2013 - 9:26 am

    So is NaCl (table salt). "All things in moderation".... Aristotle. :)

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  • Chris LambertSeptember 29, 2013 - 6:25 am

    Your comment, while true, doesn't really address the concerns of many people, myself included, the main one being freedom to choose whether or not to consume fluoride. I use fluoride toothpaste, but would never force anyone else to!

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  • John Troidl, MBA, PhDSeptember 29, 2013 - 6:57 am

    But Chris, how far do you want to take your "stand on freedom"? Would you defy speed limits on the highways because you really value your "freedom"? How about food safety standards (read: "laws") when you go to a restaurant or grocery store? Would you want to risk it by removing all health requirements for serving or producing food? Are you going to lobby the government to remove folic acid from commercially produced bread even though it has clearly been provide scientifically by the Public Health folks to significantly reduce spinal column deformities in newborns? How about getting rid of chlorine in the water, because you want the freedom to interact in your own individual with those potential bacteria that are otherwise diminished by adding THAT halogen? Dental decay is caused by bacteria. Let's give people access to the fluoride halogen so that everyone who has teeth can benefit from water that also fights THAT bacteria. What do we call this kind of policy? It is called "community oriented", Chris!

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  • JoeSeptember 29, 2013 - 9:24 am

    John, you can choose whether you want to speed or not just as you can choose whether you want to buy the bread, but once your water is fluoridated you no longer have a choice as it will be in many facets of your life from bathing, to cooking, drinking, watering plant life, etc..... I opt for choice too, no to fuoridation.

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  • John TroidlSeptember 30, 2013 - 5:28 am

    No, Joe, that is not quite correct. You cannot speed (exceed the posted speed limit) without consequences--- in the same way that you cannot fail to fluoridate without consequences. In both cases there is harm to others... in the case of fluoridation it is harm to everyone with teeth ... those are the people who benefit from fluoridation the most.

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  • JoeSeptember 30, 2013 - 8:33 am

    No Johnny, it is you who is incorrect. I can speed anytime I want, I might or might not get caught but that's beside the point. Once our water supply is fluoridated people have no choice but to use it in many areas of their life whether they want it or not. Learn up. Joe, Davis elementary school, Davis High School and School of Hard Knocks (since someone thinks it's necessary to list one's credentials)

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  • John TroidlSeptember 30, 2013 - 9:46 am

    Joe, only my Mother calls me "Johnny" and you simply do not qualify for that status. So, try to be nice, eh? Every time you speed you put yourself and others at risk. That is not without consequences, Joe. BTW, what do you drive (assuming it is not a tricyle)? The brother of a friend of mine works for the CHP and I think our own Davis police chief would like to get a look at your "driving habits". So, please share with all of us your cars make, model, and color, ok?

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  • JoeSeptember 30, 2013 - 3:03 pm

    You know John, for a guy that likes to throw out there that he has an MBA, PHD and graduated from UCLA in 1983 the best you can come up with is "Joe. BTW, what do you drive (assuming it is not a tricyle)?" Sad.......

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  • ScottSeptember 30, 2013 - 2:04 pm

    John is always trying to impress us with all of the initials behind his name. Being well educated and being smart are two different things. My neighbor (with a PHD) told me that he thinks the more formal education one gets often leads to a lack of common sense.

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  • Chris LambertSeptember 29, 2013 - 12:49 pm

    John, with the exception of chlorine in water (which by the way is also not an uncontroversial additive), all the things you mentioned are "optional", in the sense that we can still choose. I'm not arguing that fluoride is bad, just that it isn't right to adulterate everyone's water with it. But hey, maybe another hypothetical would be useful. How about, say it was discovered that a certain gas reduced the incidence of depression. Should we then spew it widely into the air? After all it would be a "community benefit".

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  • Grant Acosta, MCS (Master of Common Sense)September 29, 2013 - 1:16 pm

    John, you state you have an MBA, so let's try to appeal to that part of your background. If you were running a company whose job was to help provide fluoride to those in Davis who aren't getting enough (the reason given by many on the pro-fluoridation side), would you pay to fluoridate the entire city when only a tiny fraction (less than 1/2% - I haven't heard anybody disputing this statistic) of the fluoride actually gets ingested by the population? Surely you must agree this is not a very efficient way to deliver the product. By specifically targeting the small percentage of people who lack enough fluoride in their diet, you get a far better return on your investment. Why are you opposed to this approach???

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  • John TroidlSeptember 29, 2013 - 11:39 pm

    Grant, apparently (your version of) common sense is not quite up to the challenge here. What they teach MBAs to pay attention to is BOTH efficiency and effectiveness. And if you have to prioritize one, you go for effectiveness. (Drucker: "Your job is to get results!")- Interestingly enough, the public health educated folks like results too... it has to do with reducing suffering, lowering the burden of disease, and reducing health care costs to families and to systems. Fluoridation of the public water supply is clearly the most effective way to systematically address dental disease for all ages. Glad you asked this question! Lets fluoridate! John, MBA (UCLA, Class of 83)

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  • jcSeptember 30, 2013 - 1:47 pm

    JJTroidl - So virtually all of the fluoride added to the city water supply will miss its target and go to waste down the drain ending up in the soil and wetlands with unknown effects. Why do you assume fluoridation would still be effective in reducing dental decay? Most residents of Davis are already likely applying fluoride toothpaste to their teeth daily. Then there is an obviously large group of residents that objects to having the public water supply being used as delivery medium for an additive other than that required to ensure the water is clean and safe to drink. Many of these people would drink bottled or filtered water if the city goes ahead with this plan. Then consider those who drink little or no tap water because they prefer soda etc. and how many people remain to benefit from the medicating of the city’s water?

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  • ScottSeptember 30, 2013 - 2:10 pm

    So with so little of the water actually going to the teeth to treat an extremely low percentage of kids who don't get enough fluoride as it is, where's the efficiency part fit in?

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