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		<title>By: ml1999</title>
		<link>http://www.davisenterprise.com/local-news/dunning/slow-down-and-get-all-the-facts/comment-page-1/#comment-189987</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 17:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My friends were joking about the taste of water at The Graduate. When they spoke to the manager, he said that they use some huge quantity of &quot;x&quot; (salt?) to soften the water? Something like that. (I recommended that they switch to beer.) Will this project solve these kinds of problems?

Will any of these committee members benefit from this project?

I trust the common, educated person over a bureaucrat any day. 

The new Oakland-San Francisco Bay Bridge was supposed to cost $1 Billion, and the total cost is now somewhere between $7-8 Billion - yet there was no added capacity, and the RFP didn&#039;t specify it be designed with considerations per terrorism (i.e., a potential attack).

A common sense person like a Bob Fry might have noted that a Bay Bridge retrofit would cost only $1 Billion. With that kind of savings, maybe the Bay Area could have funded BART encircling the Bay (San Jose), adding Marin to the system, and more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friends were joking about the taste of water at The Graduate. When they spoke to the manager, he said that they use some huge quantity of &#8220;x&#8221; (salt?) to soften the water? Something like that. (I recommended that they switch to beer.) Will this project solve these kinds of problems?</p>
<p>Will any of these committee members benefit from this project?</p>
<p>I trust the common, educated person over a bureaucrat any day. </p>
<p>The new Oakland-San Francisco Bay Bridge was supposed to cost $1 Billion, and the total cost is now somewhere between $7-8 Billion &#8211; yet there was no added capacity, and the RFP didn&#8217;t specify it be designed with considerations per terrorism (i.e., a potential attack).</p>
<p>A common sense person like a Bob Fry might have noted that a Bay Bridge retrofit would cost only $1 Billion. With that kind of savings, maybe the Bay Area could have funded BART encircling the Bay (San Jose), adding Marin to the system, and more.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karl Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Davis doesn&#039;t get to decide the salinity standards it needs to comply with and would face a minimum $3,000 penalty for each violation of their effluent limits. There are salinity standards even within the Delta and have been for some time. You can&#039;t just say the water is salty anyways and neglect the consequences. 
If you&#039;re interested in getting more facts on your questions instead of more &quot;propaganda&quot; you can find a large volume of independent analysis here. 
http://www.wdcwa.com/documents]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davis doesn&#8217;t get to decide the salinity standards it needs to comply with and would face a minimum $3,000 penalty for each violation of their effluent limits. There are salinity standards even within the Delta and have been for some time. You can&#8217;t just say the water is salty anyways and neglect the consequences.<br />
If you&#8217;re interested in getting more facts on your questions instead of more &#8220;propaganda&#8221; you can find a large volume of independent analysis here.<br />
<a href="http://www.wdcwa.com/documents" rel="nofollow">http://www.wdcwa.com/documents</a></p>
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		<title>By: Karl Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karl Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen Souza has a point. What does the average Davis citizen know about salinity standards? Selenium standards? Water rights applications? Future reliability of our existing groundwater system? Not a whole lot. Do you plan to personally spend the 36-48 hours needed for the Water Advisory Commission to fully understand the issue, Mr. Dunning? We elect bright, thoughtful city officials in a representative democracy to make intelligent decisions on our behalf for a good reason. 

Also, your article neglects the fact that delaying the surface water project for a year would cost another $17.7 million. You can read about it here:
http://www.wdcwa.com/images/uploadsdoc/AlternativeScheduleScenariosTM_120311.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Souza has a point. What does the average Davis citizen know about salinity standards? Selenium standards? Water rights applications? Future reliability of our existing groundwater system? Not a whole lot. Do you plan to personally spend the 36-48 hours needed for the Water Advisory Commission to fully understand the issue, Mr. Dunning? We elect bright, thoughtful city officials in a representative democracy to make intelligent decisions on our behalf for a good reason. </p>
<p>Also, your article neglects the fact that delaying the surface water project for a year would cost another $17.7 million. You can read about it here:<br />
<a href="http://www.wdcwa.com/images/uploadsdoc/AlternativeScheduleScenariosTM_120311.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.wdcwa.com/images/uploadsdoc/AlternativeScheduleScenariosTM_120311.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob Fry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Fry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a water resources engineer for the State, I have just enough knowledge about these matters to generate some skeptical questions:

1. I&#039;m pretty sure the motivation for a new water source comes not from drinking water concerns, but discharge concerns: too much salt (sodium chloride) is discharged into the Sacramento River by Woodland and Davis for current or future standards. My question is, where exactly do Woodland and Davis discharge? I&#039;m thinking at very different places. Davis wastewater probably ends up in Putah Creek, which drains into the Yolo Bypass, which hits the Sac R. near Rio Vista....just a very few miles from saline, brackish water anyway!

2. If my understanding above is reasonably accurate it leads to the 2nd question: Why are we spending hundreds of millions of dollars for a marginal improvement of just a few miles? These standards are developed by the California State Water Resources Control Board, a state government agency, perhaps in obedience to the U.S. EPA, another government agency. Can common sense prevail here? It makes no sense to use several hundred million scarce dollars on something that offers marginal improvement to a short stretch of river.

3. Another benefit given for this is &quot;better&quot; water quality. Really? What is the raw water quality of our groundwater and the proposed Sac R. water? Guessing a bit again, I&#039;m thinking Sac R water has a lot more organic/toxic load (pesticides, herbicides, upstream waste discharge) than our groundwater. Less calcium/magnesium ions which cause hardness, no doubt, but how much treatment will the raw Sac water require to remove all the contaminants certainly present in it?

4. Another supposed benefit is additional quantity of water. How realistic is that? How long could current or proposed deeper wells last? I&#039;ve heard that Sac R. water will not be available to us during the summer....peak demand months. True? Just what will the cost work out for each source on a cubic-foot basis?

I&#039;d really like to see the City of Davis address these questions instead of sending us propganda advertising in the mail proclaiming the virtues and none of the problems with the proposed water project.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a water resources engineer for the State, I have just enough knowledge about these matters to generate some skeptical questions:</p>
<p>1. I&#8217;m pretty sure the motivation for a new water source comes not from drinking water concerns, but discharge concerns: too much salt (sodium chloride) is discharged into the Sacramento River by Woodland and Davis for current or future standards. My question is, where exactly do Woodland and Davis discharge? I&#8217;m thinking at very different places. Davis wastewater probably ends up in Putah Creek, which drains into the Yolo Bypass, which hits the Sac R. near Rio Vista&#8230;.just a very few miles from saline, brackish water anyway!</p>
<p>2. If my understanding above is reasonably accurate it leads to the 2nd question: Why are we spending hundreds of millions of dollars for a marginal improvement of just a few miles? These standards are developed by the California State Water Resources Control Board, a state government agency, perhaps in obedience to the U.S. EPA, another government agency. Can common sense prevail here? It makes no sense to use several hundred million scarce dollars on something that offers marginal improvement to a short stretch of river.</p>
<p>3. Another benefit given for this is &#8220;better&#8221; water quality. Really? What is the raw water quality of our groundwater and the proposed Sac R. water? Guessing a bit again, I&#8217;m thinking Sac R water has a lot more organic/toxic load (pesticides, herbicides, upstream waste discharge) than our groundwater. Less calcium/magnesium ions which cause hardness, no doubt, but how much treatment will the raw Sac water require to remove all the contaminants certainly present in it?</p>
<p>4. Another supposed benefit is additional quantity of water. How realistic is that? How long could current or proposed deeper wells last? I&#8217;ve heard that Sac R. water will not be available to us during the summer&#8230;.peak demand months. True? Just what will the cost work out for each source on a cubic-foot basis?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d really like to see the City of Davis address these questions instead of sending us propganda advertising in the mail proclaiming the virtues and none of the problems with the proposed water project.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Bisch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Bisch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 14:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Long night of enjoying the downtown music scene last night. Not sure I&#039;m as clear headed as need be this morning. Let&#039;s see if I got this right, Bob. We Davisities are smarter than Woodlanders but only if the water project info is contained in one document (the sample ballot).  But we&#039;ll be entirely confused if the info is contained in 2 documents (sample ballot and Prop 218 notice). Do I have that right?

Not sure whether the plan will withstand a legal challenge. The attorneys may become just as confused and disoriented by the multiple documents as the voters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long night of enjoying the downtown music scene last night. Not sure I&#8217;m as clear headed as need be this morning. Let&#8217;s see if I got this right, Bob. We Davisities are smarter than Woodlanders but only if the water project info is contained in one document (the sample ballot).  But we&#8217;ll be entirely confused if the info is contained in 2 documents (sample ballot and Prop 218 notice). Do I have that right?</p>
<p>Not sure whether the plan will withstand a legal challenge. The attorneys may become just as confused and disoriented by the multiple documents as the voters.</p>
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